Selling at a loss to capture market share, isn't that part of every SV startup? What makes it so bad in this case?

It's not "so bad in this case". The domestic version is called "predatory pricing" and is illegal. In practice, it's easier to raise anti-dumping complaints than predatory pricing cases, both because the producers don't vote in your country and because the complaint doesn't have to be proven in a court of law.

Heavy subsidies by the state.

Surely if this is a problem, then heavy subsidies from private capital is also a problem?

If there's a difference, I haven't heard a good explanation of it.

TBH I agree with you, even mentioned it in my other reply.

Modern China is not like the Soviet Union; it is much closer to a capitalistic society, but instead of private equity there is a (heavier than even the most 'socialist' of EU nations) government planning push.

In some ways, one could argue they're just taking lessons learned from all of the current systems and applying them aggressively in their centralized planning.

As someone who has lived in/around the heart of the 'Arsenal of Democracy' for my whole life, gotta say they are taking better lessons learned than the US has.

If they have happy customers buying them is the dumping just a shibboleth for just "they're taking our national companies market share"

> National companies often employ locally and pay taxes and have a stake in your long term interest

> A hostile power [...] has no such stake.

As someone that grew up in Detroit, reading this is basically equivalent to science-fiction for me.

If you think domestic companies have some sort of special stake in your country, you're misinformed.

I'm sorry our educational system has not made the differences between bad faith companies and dictatorship clearer.

Let me put it this way: American companies sell you a bad car and lay you off to give a CEO a bonus.

Chinese dictatorships put you into reeducation camps if you're a Muslim dissident or unapproved member of a religion. China tells the Catholic Church who to appoint as bishops and the Pope spends his time criticizing...anyone but China.

China pumps metrics tons of drug precursors onto the black market which accidentally find their way into Mexican drug labs and...are imported into Detroit.

China backs our national enemies because they are friends to anyone who opposes us. China funds Russia. China buys Iranian oil.

Chinese hackers steal US trade secrets.

And on and on.

You just described it yourself. American companies will build a Cybertruck, blame their customers, cancel a $25,000 EV, and then lay off employees for Elon's ketamine/AIPAC shill fund.

China has their own Abu Ghraib moments swept under the carpet, but their workers accept it for the same reason America ignored Seymour Hersh. Their middle class is growing, the Chinese economy has vast surpluses and market leverage that only America has ever enjoyed. Their asymmetric warfare stealing IP, from Texas Instruments to ARM to Lockheed Martin went unpunished. The Chinese intelligence agency, through Salt Typhoon, probably has more blackmail on American politicians than the Mossad does. From a Chinese perspective, the war is won. They're supporting the winning side in Ukraine since both US administrations rebuffed full NATO intervention. They're supporting the winning side in Iran after the IRGC proved they can disable planes, drones and ships with Chinese hardware.

When the United States calls Canada a "51st state" or renames border territories to manufacture leverage, it's not helping China lose. They're undermining the trade agreements that all of North America relies on, and strengthening China's case as a reliable alternative to America's fickle export restrictions. In that sense, humanitarian outrage is almost an advantage; why would Pakistan, Iran or Russia worry about ethical reprisal from China if they're equally amoral?

There are differences in labour and environmental laws that I do actually want a tariff to equalize.

If we have standards and laws it’s unfair to allow outsourced competition to skirt them and collect the savings. That’s a recipe for disaster.

Politicians accuse China of many things.

I'd note the lack of evidence presented there, at least in the part I could read.