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While that's true, it's unrelated to hosting code. A reliable code hosting site should be agnostic to content. Once they start making editorial decisions about what projects to host, why should anyone trust them with their project?


I just fundamentally disagree that hosting sites should be agnostic to content.

Should they host malware? Anything related to CSAM? Clearly it is reasonable for them to exercise some editorial control, and this is not a crazy use of that power.


What about emulators? E2EE? P2P software? Software that gets used to leak state secrets? VPNs?

Once you open the door, it’s going to be really difficult to resist political pressure in other areas. The mob is easily swayed against new targets.


Yes? Every hosting provider should be considering what they want to host. Of course it's fine for providers to take some sort of speech maximalism stance if they want to, but it is also reasonable not to.


So you think Codeberg should not host projects in the categories I listed?

Or if you think they should, should they also provide guarantees to projects that the rules will not be suddenly changed, disrupting the project and community?

If not, and you’re a developer, why would you want to host there?


I think Codeberg should do whatever they want; I'm not involved.


Why would P2P/E2EE software be banned? Makes no sense to even compare that to crypto. Its like saying we ban C because the bitcoin is written in it.

> Software that gets used to leak state secrets?

Thats not really a "thing". If someone uploads something of the sorts, it probably going to be taken down. VPNs follow the same rules as P2P/E2EE, and has nothing to do with crypto.

Just look at github, they have taken down multiple repos during the years that are illegal, and/or breaks their TOS.


> Why would P2P/E2EE software be banned?

Chat Control 2.0? Public pressure campaigns against encryption? The mob decides that it’s “fascist” to prevent snooping?

> Thats not really a "thing".

WikiLeaks and SecureDrop would disagree.

> Just look at github, they have taken down multiple repos during the years that are illegal, and/or breaks their TOS.

Yes, and I’m saying that this is a bad thing. Obviously there may be limited means to contest legal actions (outside of decentralization), but GitHub has been iffy regarding ToS applications in the past.


> WikiLeaks and SecureDrop would disagree.

This is just nonsense. You can also then argue we should ban email. I can get an anon throwaway email and send some leaked document that way to, say a reporter.

> Chat Control 2.0

Has nothing to with with cryptography. Banning that would mean we have no ssl, and no online payments / banking.


The only good thing about crypto is we can send money easily to stupid countries without any hassle and crazy forex exchange. Other than that, i don't see any value in crypto.


"The only good thing about crypto is using it for <entire reason crypto exists>"

Well, sounds like it is a successful technology.


That got a hearty laugh out of me.


We can send normal FIAT pretty much anywhere in the world, instantly. There might be some places that are truly out-of-reach, but at the same time, crypto is probably not working there neither as a) there i literally no computers and b) no way to use the crypto. So you end up exchanging crypto for fiat, and pay a high fee in the process.


Monero is digital cash and protects privacy, a human right.


I hear this over and over. What kind of privacy are we taking about here? You mean X gives Y 100 bucks in cash privacy? Or purchasing a house where there is no paper trail, no knowledge of who is the previous/current owner and no insurance at all kind of privacy?

Would you be happy to send your kids to a school that no one knows whos the owner, who operates it and if there is any kind of hazards and/or insurance/maintenance? Lets not even talk about how and what the teachers get paid, as its all fully private.


It is perfectly fine (and in fact standard) to identify people without any payment processor involved.

Someone arguing for the ability to pay someone without surveillance does not argue for a world where nobody knows each other anymore. That would be awful, of course.


>You mean X gives Y 100 bucks in cash privacy?

Yes. Monero is the equivalent of spending cash online. Any service that accepts monero still has order numbers to deliver the product. Or requires an address if it must be shipped.

It's about minimizing unnecessary data.


Thats pretty limited. How do i buy a car with monero? A house? How about can i pay for medical treatment with monero?


You can do them with Cash, it can be done with Monero. You make records.

Obviously very rare for these to have Monero payment method.


You can say the same for AI btw

There’s not a whole lot of utility to filling the world with slop


> You can say the same for AI btw

As it stands, AI has already surpassed the energy consumption of all cryptocurrencies including Bitcoin, and is also burning the entire planet [0]. It is only going up due to the data center build out. [1][2]

The cryptocurrency industry already found ways to migrate off of PoW to Proof-of-Stake so there exists an efficient alternative to reduce emissions.

AI still does not and the hard requirement is to build more data centers to keep up with the scale, hence higher token prices, energy prices, electronics and water.

[0] https://www.cell.com/joule/abstract/S2542-4351(25)00142-4

[1] https://ai2027-tracker.com/predictions/ai-power-consumption/

[2] https://www.aon.com/en/insights/articles/securing-power-glob...




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