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You're wrong in your assumptions. Mageia did not have systemd support. We do now though, but we had to do that ourselves. To get systemd right for Mageia one person got involved with systemd and has sent various improvements upstream. Fixing bugs, etc, because nothing is perfect.

In any case, my point is that almost everyone at GNOME uses all kinds of different Linux distributions, so everyone is aware of that.

That GNOME is not packaged on *BSD: Why should that be troublesome if there is no involvement from them? In any case, we do get involvement from OpenBSD, just very little in comparison.

For GNOME, various distributions send patches because a released tarball does not work in their environment. This is often done in the two days between tarball creation deadline and the actual GNOME release. This does not happen too often btw, but this is not limited to any specific distribution.

What I am trying to say is: to make something work you have to work together. If you expect something perfect, I find it logical it turns out as a disappointment.



Lennart has outright said that systemd won't run on BSD (http://lwn.net/Articles/452865/), and now Gnome is saying it won't run (major components at least) without systemd. How is this about BSD devs needing to "work together"? Come on. You're talking about a major refactoring of core aspects of BSD until it becomes, basically, Linux.

I have no idea why you're going off there about "perfect" when that's not what anybody else is talking about.

Don't make this about BSD's involvement. The Gnome team has clearly just made a decision to support Linux, and Linux only.


Lennart has said that systemd won't run on BSD in exactly the same way that OpenBSD have said OpenSSH won't run on Linux. There's a separate portable branch of OpenSSH. Anyone is free to maintain a portable branch of systemd.


I already said I am on the GNOME release team. So instead of referencing LWN, I'd rather reference GNOME release team meeting minutes: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2012-November/m...

I'm not talking about BSD working together. I'm talking to participate. If you don't then you're ignored. IMO I've been quite thorough to explain my point-of-view, would appreciate if you could at least understand what I'm trying to say. An us-vs-them is not helpful.


People from other projects don't know that they are going to need to participate, you can't be on every mailing list in the world.


Which is my point, if you don't involve yourself at all in the discussion, then it is going to be logical that sometimes a decision will be taken which didn't take some issue you had into consideration.




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