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> I have no love for Hamas, but let's be real: most of what Hamas puts out is meaningless chest-thumping by an irrelevant power that wants to feel powerful within an apartheid state.

The October 7 attack on the other hand killed 12 Israelis per 100k population, which is a little over an order of magnitude more than the kill rate of the 9/11 attack on the US.

I don't think there is any country on Earth that would not respond to a 9/11 magnitude attack, let alone an attack that is 10x bigger per capita, with overwhelming force if they have the resources.



Do you want to make the same calculation for the number of Gazans killed vs the total population of the strip?


Not really, since it would be irrelevant to the point I was addressing which was the assertion that Hama are mostly just irrelevant chest thumpers that want to feel powerful.

What horrors others have inflicted on Gaza deserves plenty of discussion, but in a thread branch where it is relevant.


Fair point. But even then, having to retreat to relative calculations is not exactly the best argument. In absolute terms, Hamas was at no point able to destroy anytime outside of the Gaza envelope. The attack was horrible enough, but there was never a possibility that it would annihilate Israel, as much as Hamas would want that.


Roughly 3,000 Americans died September eleventh. Similar numbers of Americans die every month from the automobile, with enough deaths annually for a bonus thirteenth month

I've seen America declare a war on Terror, but I'm still waiting for the war on oversized cars and poor urban design

In other words, let me know when 3,000 deaths mean something to America as a whole




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