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> You're essentially making the argument that "if you can get away with theft, it's not theft," which really says a lot more about you than it does about me.

No, that's not at all the argument I'm making. I'm making the argument that being a poor worker is not theft because it cannot be. Because theft requires you stealing something, and salary employees cannot steal time because they are not paid by time.

> I think you're just spewing bullshit that isn't actually reflective of reality

This has been the case everywhere I've been employed and has also been the case with everyone I know.

Look, I don't really care if you think your company is different and I'm certainly not going to try to convince you that your experience isn't real. That's not productive.

All I'm saying is, if we have a problem where workers aren't doing a good job, that's a measuring problem. Your company figured out the measuring problem. Congratulations! Most haven't, which is why they have so many shitty workers. They just need to put in more effort into measurement.

Ultimately the company is the sole entity responsible for setting expectations. If they're letting people get away with less work, then they're signalling "what you're doing is okay and you should keep doing it". I'm not going to fault random workers who have zero leverage or control in anything because their company and managers decided to be lazy and irresponsible.

You want to measure performance? Yeah, that takes effort and knowledge. Putting in an HID reader isn't gonna cut it.



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