-- a long conversation - anything in excess seems unhealthy(bad) for humans - be it - gossip - caffeine - cannabis - religion - all abused habitually - since as long as we've documented - excess has ruined civilizations - true -- on one side - dictatorship - the other - chaos - humans are strange emotional - primal creatures - frameworks for education would be ideal - societal resource is low - so time ticks on - we try our best - learn from the past - iterate into the future - hope for the best --