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> Doesn't even need to be a different model - just make sure it has a different context.

I find that the number of issues discovered is noticeably higher if you do use different models though. I'm doing some very finicky things (formal semantics) and find that there's value in review panels as large as 5 different models from different families. It gets even more profitable if you set it up as a truly agentic panel where after writing their own separate reviews they get to see what others have said, and adjust their positions or defend them etc. Some models are not that good by themselves but can be surprisingly good at finding flaws in others' reasoning (Grok for example).


> I'm surprised there's no actual commie coming out and claiming the end of capitalism is near. (except maybe me in my personal socials, only larping as a hobby)

I'm a (libertarian, free-market) socialist, so not quite communist, but I think the differences are not substantial as far as everyone outside far left circles is concerned. And I've been saying this exact thing since this whole AI wave started.

If there was ever a time to seize the means of production and make them commons, this is it.


The question, of course, is why should it inevitably lead to that kind of world, rather than The Culture? Or, to give a more realistic and likely example, something like the Colligatarch from Alan Dean Foster's "The I Inside".

Models have been trained on synthetic inputs for over a year now. Collapse only happens in very specific circumstances, it's not a limit in practice.

Yeah, that's why fully autonomous robots are so easy to train on novel tasks. Or why figure is strapping cameras to human workers for cleaning.

Sythetic data works in a bounded box we have mapped you can't just make up novel data and it works.

Model collapse is completely unsolved.


No, we should advance to a post-scarcity world where everyone can do research, teach, and promote the wonders of creativity because no-one has to work for a living.

I don't expect Sam Altman and his ilk to deliver such a world to us, but the problem is Altman, not the tech itself.


Mostly the fact that the ultra-rich always inevitably give in to greed over caution, reach too far, and trigger a revolt.

And in this case it can go as far as "y'all can starve, we don't need you anymore". Which is perfectly true from a pure capitalist point of view, but also I can't think of a better way to get people to move on from Flock cameras to bigger things.

The only question is, how bad it will get before society snaps. And you can already see many prominent figures among the tech elites promoting UBI as a palliative - basically giving people just enough of the wealth that they won't revolt. And it would even work if they kept it up, but, again, greed always wins over prudence in the long term with these people.


North Koreans haven't revolted in what, 3 generations? You would be surprised how bad shit can get and still no revolts.

I don't think anyone is doing that? The value of entertainment is obviously not zero from the perspective of life quality. The point is that we should be honest about what is done for the sake of output, and what is done for the sake of entertaining the people doing it. If math becomes a hobby, then it's entertainment. There's nothing wrong about it as such (indeed, the ideal world is one where everyone only does things because they are fun for that person to do, not because they have to). But the people who are paying for it deserve to know.

There's an obvious bias in focusing on retirees though. I mean, the whole notion of retirement exists for a reason.

But also, in all honesty, if we can feed and shelter everyone on the planet with only a small proportion of the population engaged in productive labor, what's the problem with most people walking the dog, drinking coffee, and reading books?


> There's an obvious bias in focusing on retirees though. I mean, the whole notion of retirement exists for a reason.

I see this also among my early retiree friends. People are quite happy just "playing" - gardening, joining a book club, making art, etc.

And I would be, too! There are times I enjoy doing bigger work, but man, I could build quite a delightful life living like a hobbit.


> There's an obvious bias in focusing on retirees though. I mean, the whole notion of retirement exists for a reason.

Go on, please. Whatever argument you make, please account for early retirees as well.

> if we can feed and shelter everyone on the planet with only a small proportion of the population engaged in productive labor

But that is not the premise of the discussion at hand, though. My comment was written in this specific context:

>>> My argument is that most people only veg out because they are tired of a hectic work life, but if given the chance to coast for a long time they would find productive work voluntarily


> Are you proposing that humanity should rely on AI to determine the fields of study that should be perused and those that should be defunded?

We already have examples of politicians relying on chatbots to understand problems. I wouldn't be at all surprised if, given a few more years, the above will be effectively the case without any deliberate effort.


<snark> And this is a step above the bottom, because at least they are trying to understand. </snark>

If we all die because of AI, it will be because of the uses that people like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and Palmer Luckey put it to, not because of a robot uprising.

Why not both? I honestly can’t fathom why people think — in an ultra-networked world — why LLMs can’t cause physical consequences.

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