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I support this.

I also support No GenAI every day ending in a Y, but I support this, too.


> Can't buy a tesla without the app.

Works for me. No Tesla it is, then.

Not the only reason, but one of several.


Are you trying to dismiss Flock and the like as not worthy of outrage?


The industry needs to come to grips with the fact that many, many people either have no use for or actively despise GenAI.


Why should they worry about the people that are not going to give them money and likely wont ever be convinced to? They don't need to capture literally every person or whole industries to be successful.


And how has such distain for large parts of a population turned out in the past? Short term people sometimes get away with it, longer term and their society crashes when people start taking action. But it doesn't always take a long time if people are inflamed enough about an issue.


Because the negative externalities of GenAI are great enough that the majority will soon recognize them and demand action.

But I don't expect that to slow down any of the main drivers for now. Some have too much invested monetarily and emotionally, others have been caught up in the hype cycle.


Because these same people are being told if they don't use LLMs in their job they will be fired.

Truly think the political instincts of 90% of the people on this site is just straight up laughable. You don't get to turn the dial back after telling people for 3 years that they will lose their job, become homeless, and then die.

Tech leadership have been complaining about popular welfare programs for like 40 years.

These people have never been told no in their lives and don't understand how to navigate around the politics of rejection (thank fuck, it would require them doing actual organizing; something money can't buy).


Beautifully said, and that is exactly why the tech billionaires need to be stopped. They disregard everyone but themselves while also having the power and money to do whatever they want.


Yeah, exactly.

Who can expect smol bean Meta to not act like rapacious vultures when all the other social media corporations get to?


Raises or asks, not begs, but in response: no friends.

AI is not capable of being my friend, as it doesn't pass the first, most basic requirement: it isn't a person.

Would I welcome more people into my life as friends? Sure. But while I cherish the friends I have, I certainly don't need more. Not just to "have".

And I sure as hell have no need or desire for the empty "friendship" of spicy auto complete.


A website being used in a web browser seems to you like an edge case?! Really?

If that's really a common view, we really did lose the plot.


For a social media site on mobile, yes.


We really lost the plot, then. None of the user-facing and user-benefiting features of the social media apps need native-specific capabilities.


It's never about the technology or if it's theoretically feasible but that tracking, push notifications and ad blocking are much better handled in mobile apps for most platforms.


I'm not sure I follow. Do you think that someone using the Twitter app is more or less tracked than someone using their mobile web browser?


More, as you have the advertising identifiers from Apple / Google on mobile and you are also not able to block tracking scripts / tracking ads like on mobile web (At least not without more effort or installing additional software or a vpn).


Then we are in agreement: native apps are only made to the benefit of the companies, not the users.


This is not true. I’ve worked in this space. Whenever users had the choice, they chose native iOS about two thirds of the time, native Android about a quarter of the time, and web about 10% of the time. This is across all platforms, including desktop, so the actual user preference for web was even lower than that. We didn’t care which platform people used and weren’t pushing people onto native.

Users genuinely prefer native apps. People don’t seem to have any problem accepting this when you compare things like Electron to desktop apps. It matters even more on resource-constrained mobile devices.


You are talking about their choices over distribution channels. I'm talking about who gets to benefit about the features offered by these platforms.


> native apps are only made to the benefit of the companies, not the users.

We literally built the apps because people wanted them. The whole reason the App Store exists is because when Steve Jobs told everybody that to build iPhone apps you should build web apps, people revolted and demanded native apps. The preference for native apps over web apps predates the App Store.


People wanted them because mobile web sites sucked, and because it was difficult to build a decent mobile UX using early mobile web tech. That’s not true anymore but people still reach for apps by reflex even though it makes absolutely no sense most of the time. I don’t want your native code running on my device if a website serves the purpose just as well.

The “why are you making me use an app” backlash will come eventually and nobody will be saying “people want apps” anymore.


Because the web as an application platform sucked back then.


I have no idea how Bluesky works as native app, always used the mobile Web version.

Same applies to every other social media web sites I use, and yes I need to click away the banner that regularly asks to install the native app, which would anyway be Electron for mobile.


I have zero social media apps installed. Nobody in my family has social media apps. We are not the majority, but we do exist…


It's almost certainly my own damn fault I have it, but after at least 35-40 years dealing with it,tinitus sure as hell isn't my friend.

Mine is high pitched, and varries in intensity but has gotten worse lately. Sometimes it makes jus existing down right hard, but usually it's only moderately annoying and I can mostly ignore it.

I've tried an assortment of sound based methods to mask it or train my brain to tune it out, but nothing has worked more than fleetingly.

The only thing that reliably gives me a break is if I can really focus on something. Music (passive or active), cooking, and programming are the most reliable, but sometimes reading, gaming, or good conversation works. Usually, though, everything is done with a constant backing track of flyback transformer whine.

Wear hearing protection, kids, or you may well live to regret it!


>tinitus sure as hell isn't my friend.

what the author is advocating for "befriending tinnitus" is a well established form of therapy (Acceptance and Commitment/ACT), it's generally very effective because avoidance or compensatory behavior ("trying to make the tinnitus go away / distract myself") is teaching the brain that tinnitus is a problem and is only going to increase the kind of alertness that leads people to focus on their tinnitus. It's the same way with insomnia, people who try to produce sleep efforts tend to worsen their insomnia, you need to befriend being awake.

There's a big psychological component to tinnitus that sustains itself because people view tinnitus as a problem, that's often larger than the physical impairment.


It's not even clear that for most sufferers that there is a physical impairment at all. I went to a Tinnitus clinic in Berlin and was surprised at how little is known about it even now and how much is likely psychological (or more inside the brain than the ear).


some tinnitis sufferers actually emit sounds from their ear - they picked it up with microphones.


Amateur musician with mild/moderate high frequency tinnitus here. I was treated with exposure therapy, and while I hear the sound (less now than before) it doesn't bother me any more. I would recommend a book called "Living Well With Tinnitus". Good luck!


I developed tinnitus in my right ear about 5 years ago. I remember exactly when it started. I was welding up a tailpipe repair on my car, and in the next bay over my brother was running the lawnmower to adjust the carbs. The exhaust was basically blasting directly into my right ear from a distance of about 10ft. I don't recall it feeling excessively loud at the time, but afterwards for about a two years I had really bad occasional ringing and occasionally I could hear "rushing" sounds very loudly.

About 3 years ago I used a borescope and some tweezers as a sketchy endoscope and pulled out a hair that had somehow wedged itself in my ear canal. I don't recall how I figured out this plan, but it worked. The tinnitus has never returned since then.

I have no idea whether there's any causal connections between any of these events. It's a big mystery. But TBH I don't really care that much, I'm just super glad it's gone.


Just curious, why didn't you go to the doctor?


lately I've been listening to this on repeat at full volume and the tinnitus is coming back a bit: https://youtu.be/4lzqUe1Qfec

but I don't care fuck it


I remember about twenty years ago reading a method on a forum somewhere for dealing with tinnitus to create temporary relief. Many folks claimed to experience relief from trying it. Maybe it will help you?

It was text back then but nowadays there are videos. Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YyT9ZwWy5Jc


Even if you have tinnitus, wear hearing protection for sure.

Unfortunately, I have a connective tissue disorder, which is the cause of the tinnitus and the cause of my hearing loss as well. The more my hearing loss goes, the more apparent the tinnitus is. IF you're in a position where it isn't a health related issue, you can prevent it from getting worse, or at least reduce the pace that happens at.

I have an orchestra of it going on with the high pitches, those that sound like a vacuum going off in another room and hearing my own pulse. I do miss silence!


> I do miss silence!

Yeah, me too.

Mine is most likely from cumulative exposure to loud noise w/o protection before I was 20 (power tools, firearms, fireworks, live rock, punk, & heavy metal, etc.). That or the time I had a bad ear infection with a perforated ear drum (possibly cause by a Cacophony show in a little dive bar).

I used to hear my own pulse, especially when I would meditate, but no chance of that now, with my constant companion high pitched whine.

Stress, excessive alchohol, loud noises, or extended use of earplugs as noise suppression are all sure fire ways for it to make it more severe, but at least the latter isn't as bad, helps avoid the effects of loud noise, and usually the levels go back to "normal" soon after. Excessive alcohol is easy enough to avoid, so that just leaves stress. That's ... less easy to avoid.

Sorry to hear about your particular affliction. At least if it were just one sound it'd be a little easier to occasionally mask or tune out.

One thing that happens to me during particularly bad flare ups (like right now -- is it just me or does thinking about it make it worse?) is that I think I hear things nearby, but it's either mishearing something faint or complete audio hallucinations. One annoyance on top of another!

And yes, the best time to start wearing hearing protection is before your first exposure to potentially damaging noise, but the next best is now!


You might well end up being right, but if you are, I believe it'll be because "most developers" will have become worse at programming, not because GenAI has become massively better.


As usual, when Congress finally moves to address an issue, they manage to do it in the stupidest possible way. Permanent Standard Time is the better choice in nearly every way.


Why so? Having more time in the evening after work is way better. Getting out of work and it already being dark is depressing.


And many people find it depressing getting going in the morning when it's still dark.

Plus, in Winter most people at best get off work around dusk anyway.

In addition, most studies indicate health benefits for standard time relative to both switching and permanent DST.

We tried permanent DST back in the 70s, and it sucked. We switched back. If we're going to make a change, it should be to standard time.


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